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Differences? between big bows and steelhead

#1 User is offline   Flyrod 

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Posted 16 May 2005 - 02:45 PM

This might sound really obvious, so remember I'm from south of the border and have never seen a steelhead in my life (except in pictures). I know steelhead are simply sea/lake run bows. To me, big bows and steelhead look pretty much alike. What sometimes give it away is the difference in color, but I've seen steelhead pics that look really "rainbowy": big fish with lots of colors, as well as big silver bows.

Is there any other way to know one from the other? Just curious. smile.gif
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 02:50 PM

Rod that's actually a very common question so don't feel funny asking it. I can't speak of the ocean run fish, but here in the Great Lakes a steelhead and a rainbow are really the same fish. The only difference is the steelhead goes out to live a few years in the big lake and gets big, then comes back into the stream to spawn. A rainbow will stay in the stream it's entire life so it never reaches the size of the steelhead.

Now if by chance a steelhead was born in the stream and never left the stream, then it's a rainbow, strange eh blink.gif Its really the same fish, just the steelhead has a gene that makes it feel the urge to migrate to big water to live after it gets to a certian size.

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Posted 16 May 2005 - 06:49 PM

Actually Fly Rod there is no Definate way to tell them apart by looking at them. There are some guidlines but none are ever 100% correct all the time, the only way to tell for sure is to examine their biology with microscopes and so on. I defenetely would know, Many of the big bows on rivers such as the nakned are 10 to 20 pounds with few spots and look exactly like fresh steelhead. The only way we know there are bows because fish and game have done studies that prove those fish never enter the salt.
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 10:59 AM

I see.... that's what I thought, ya know, it is tough to tell unless you have the experience.... Thanks Steve and Kodiak. Steelhead is one of my dues. rolleyes.gif
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 10:12 PM

I asked the exact same question about a month or so ago. I never could get that straight. blink.gif
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 04:01 PM

Another confusing issue is some of the fish that have gone to salt or to the big lake and are big and silver get color back when they run up the stream to spawn--now if that isn't confusing.... dunno.gif dunno.gif
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 07:11 PM

QUOTE (steeldrifter @ May 16 2005, 01:50 PM)
Rod that's actually a very common question so don't feel funny asking it. I can't speak of the ocean run fish, but here in the Great Lakes a steelhead and a rainbow are really the same fish. The only difference is the steelhead goes out to live a few years in the big lake and gets big, then comes back into the stream to spawn. A rainbow will stay in the stream it's entire life so it never reaches the size of the steelhead.

Now if by chance a steelhead was born in the stream and never left the stream, then it's a rainbow, strange eh blink.gif Its really the same fish, just the steelhead has a gene that makes it feel the urge to migrate to big water to live after it gets to a certian size.

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Here on the west coast (ok maybe the way I see it) Rainbow Trout are only Steelhead if they spend time in the ocean. Do the steelies in the Great Lakes actualy make it to the ocean, or do they just stay in the lakes? Are the Lakes salt water? Here in Lake Chelan we have rainbow that spend most of the time in the lake and then run up the lake streams and rivers to spawn. We would not consider those fish to be steelies. Just a thought.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 07:20 PM

The G.L steelies we have origanily came from the PNW broad stock jonny. The Great Lakes fish are Steelhead in every meaning of the word, the fact that they don't have access to the salt is not the deciding factor in if they are steelhead or not.

I would say our Great Lakes are a bit bigger than the lake your talking about laugh.gif
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 08:52 PM

Hey you know I have caught some monster rainbows then.
I better start looking for my master angler awards rolleyes.gif

I wonder what that fish I caught a few years back should be called I figured it was an Atlantic salmon but you know it never seen the Atlantic ocean, so may be it was just a plain old fresh water salmon mad.gif

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 12:23 AM

Here this should clear it all up dunno.gif Rainbow trout

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 12:57 PM

I am a believer that Great Lakes Steelhead and a rainbow trout are 2 close cousins but not the same thing. To me there are differences in body type and coloring and even if you get down to it the flesh. I have been on trolling trips on the Great Lakes where we caught both steelhead and lake rainbows, the difference is obvious. They have different habits and genetic make-up that make up those differences. Just my opinion.

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 06:38 PM

QUOTE (steeldrifter @ May 18 2005, 06:20 PM)
I would say our Great Lakes are a bit bigger than the lake your talking about laugh.gif


Big Time. Lake Chelan is only 55 miles long and a mile wide at the widest part. Although it is 1550 ft deep. I figured it didn't matter if they got to the salt or not.
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Posted 21 September 2005 - 04:53 PM

Here is a link to help with this discussion:

Overview of the Steelhead and how they differ from Rainbow Trout

The true definition of a Steelhead would include the word anadromous which means they spend a portion of their life in saltwater, but since Great Lakes steelies can't get to the salt, they are an exception to the rule. Those are not 'natural' runs, but planted. Some rainbows also spend time in lakes and then spawn in streams (for eg. Kenai River, Alaska 'bows) but that doesn't make them a Steelhead. So I guess what it comes down to is you could describe some Steelhead runs as a sea-run (anadromous) and others as freshwater or lake-run (non-anadromous).

Just my .02¢

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